Based on 4.554 opinions finded in 5 websites
Based on 4.554 opinions finded in 5 websites
Nº 203 in 307 in Bromsgrove
Nº 43 of 65 British in Bromsgrove
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Unfortunately my review is based on the half roast chicken and prime burger. I wish we had taken photos. We really expected something better than weatherspoons. Items were missing also on a very minimal plate. You dont expect dry and overcooked. The drinks were nice, the chips were nice...just the main part that really let it down.
LaLoLe . 2025-01-12
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The pub is lovely however the food is not worthy of the prices. We had a chateaubriand that was very disappointing and was poorly cooked. Also the portion sizes are very small. We had a 12 and 14 year old in our party who had adult meals and they were still hungry after the mains. The salt grinder had a piece of white plastic in it, which and the exterior lighting was turned off as we left at a very early 9.20pm both of which are poor safety issues. Our server was lovely. If we didn't have a discount voucher for the meal I would have been very disappointed with our visit and couldn't recommend the restaurant for these reasons.
Richard Singleton . 2025-01-10
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Excellent service from lovely staff. Food fantastic! Big portions.
James . 2025-01-09
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From reaching out to ask about a surprise 80th birthday for my mom till we finished our day yesterday the staff and management were so helpful and accommodating. As I live abroad it makes arranging these type of things a little harder and yet it was a lot easier than anticipated. The room was great, the food was lovely and hot when it arrived, the bar staff were helpful and efficient. If I had any constructive feedback it would be for the pre-order site to be improved when ordering for more than one person, everyone, young and old found it difficult
Alicia Banfield . 2025-01-06
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Lovely food and great service, would recommend if a group also, we were 14 people all happy on a Sunday for lunch. Good location and lots of parking. Eryn was our server and very attentive
SPARKSK . 2025-01-05
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Eryn was a delight despite having to deal with 13 of us! She got all orders spot on and it was a lovely meal
Steph Chamberlain . 2025-01-05
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All of the staff were very friendly and helpful for every request. We hired a room for a birthday and it was upgraded which was excellent, everyone enjoyed the food and they catered to allergies well, thank you for a great evening
HolidayAbroad123 . 2025-01-05
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We were served by Emily who was so fantastic and very friendly!! Excellent service we will be back!! Thanks Emily!
rory homer . 2025-01-03
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Absolutely fab meal, starter main and dessert all delicious, got a free glass of Prosecco on the house as it was our anniversary and they even wrote happy anniversary on the dessert plate! Sammys service was immaculate and truly made the day for us !
Paige M . 2025-01-03
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Emily was so attentive!! Couldn’t have had better service, her attitude was so friendly and lovely. Would come back here just for her!! Made us laugh all night. So lovely to have staff that really make the experience perfect. Thank you Emily!
waggon and horses . 2025-01-03
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Good atmosphere and lovely interior. Staff were friendly and helpful. Service was quick and professional at the bar. Can’t comment on the food as we didn’t have any. Had a few issues booking - called up to book a drinks table and I wasn’t actually put on the system when I called up to double check. Dirty sanitary bins overflowing and no hand soap in ladies toilets. Other than that, we had a pleasant experience.
Chloe Nash . 2025-01-02
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My salad was very disappointing. I had one very small piece of avocado and the tomatoes were tasteless and hard. We have eaten here many times and always enjoyed, this time not the case. My husband's meal was fine
Polly Vaughan . 2024-12-31
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Very busy. The staff were attentive and the food was plentiful
David Saull . 2024-12-31
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GR8 location with flavoursome menu. Well trained & friendly front of house team
Saul Lasky . 2024-12-30
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Service was amazing. Food was outstanding. The setting was stunning. There are no negatives at all. I am usually the person that has problems with food as I am so picky, and there is always something that isn't right, there was absolutely no.problems with the food at all. The only thing that was left on my plate was broccoli just because I don't like them, not that there was anything wrong. The setting was beautiful. We were not squashed in close to other patrons, which was great. I cannot recommend this place high enough. Everything was perfect.
Toni Hartwell . 2024-12-29
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The staff were excellent.. However there was a gap of around 1 1/2 hours between the starters & main which was blamed on the booking system. During the “gap period” there was a maximum of 1 table eating. Clearly the kitchen was in meltdown
Rhys Francis . 2024-12-28
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We were a group of 8 on the first sitting at 12 noon. The food was excellent and the service brilliant. One of our party had accessibility issues and this was recorded at the time of booking and the staff were very accommodating
Ian S . 2024-12-26
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We had our Christmas do here, Laura was our host and she was exceptionally amazing. She was very patient and attentive. All the staff were friendly and professional. The food was very scrumptious and I really enjoyed the ambience. I will be visiting again with my friends in the summer, as the outside sitting looks beautiful.
Shakha Begum . 2024-12-24
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Excellent restaurant. Wide choice of menu items. Reasonable and sensible prices. Well trained professional staff.
Bev Pegg . 2024-12-23
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Visited for breakfast with Santa. The Santa was great, but that’s about it. Took 30minutes for drinks to arrive, and an hour and half waiting to see Santa. The food didn’t arrive for an hour and 45minutes, and when it did, it was cold. This was changed for a fresh meal. Children’s meals served on HOT plates, despite the above food being cold. No children cutlery available, and drinks served to children in inappropriate glasses - not sure who in their right mind thinks bringing a toddler a glass of water in a half pint glass is acceptable. On the note of drinks, in the nearly 2.5hours we were there, we were only asked if we would like more beverages once. Inattentive would be an understatement. The service was lacklustre, with the staff showing little interest, the food was what you’d expect from a basic pub, not what the Lyttleton suggests to be. All in all, the service and meal could only be described as disappointing. We did have a reduction in bill, but honestly, doubt we will return in a hurry.
Jay Dawes . 2024-12-22
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As usual our staff Christmas meal was enjoyed by us all. We will certainly be going again
Karen Taylor . 2024-12-21
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The ambiance was nice but the service time was very poor and my sticky toffee pudding was barley lukewarm and not properly cooked through. A dog was also barking . If I had known that dogs were welcomed I would have booked elsewhere.
Paul Tulloch . 2024-12-21
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Shambles … never again - total lack of interest in staff - what’s happened to this place !
Lisa Thorne . 2024-12-19
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Laura looked after us beautifully all food arriving together, and apologised my drink was late as the bar had run out of Dry Martini!!! A fabulous get together for my friends and I from Birmingham and Canada!
Amanda S . 2024-12-18
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Good function room had a good day meet friends and we had a entertainment including Santa was really good kids loved it 🎅🎅
David W . 2024-12-15
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Big posh pub. Lovely interior and lovely outdoor area- but over £7 for a pint of ordinary bitter!! u gotta be joking! Such a rip off. Needless to say- I'll wont be going back!
Colin Mcdonnell . 2024-12-14
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We went to the Christmas Breakfast with Santa, and left feeling a little disappointed tbh. Whilst the Santa, Grotto and Elf were really good. The breakfast itself was so small. We also had to request our toast, which came 5 mins after our breakfast and we had 6 half pieces, to share amongst 5 adults and 4 kids! For a cost of over £150, it wasn't great.
Alec Longhurst . 2024-12-14
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Good high quality food pricey but worth it
Max Pritchard . 2024-12-14
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The ambience is very warm and inviting and a lovely atmosphere. The food and drinks were ordered easily and promptly for a party of 3. The reason why it wasn't 5 stars, our food order took absolutely ages to reach the table I didn't realise it had been over an hour. We prompted our new server Kelsey, who was friendly immediately checked and came back with our food. The service immediately improved and no fault to be found for deserts etc. I would recommend it to others for the nice atmosphere.
Raj Mackay . 2024-12-11
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Convenient halfway point for family get-together. Food was fine, but at lunchtime it would have been good for some lighter options on the menu for those who might not want a full dining experience. Unusually the dining room was cold.
Graham Knight . 2024-12-10
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Went with a large party of 15 staff friendly and polite good choice of drinks however food for a few of us was poor no consistency very long waiting time what a shame we sat at the main road side of the restaurant windows require serious maintenance so cold wouldn't recommend.
David Melia . 2024-12-10
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15 of us went last night, only 3 meals looked ok. My chicken was hard and overcooked and I didn’t want to make a fuss in front of others so I told the waitress who just said sorry ( they’re obviously used to complaints). For £18 for 2 pieces of chicken and a few potatoes was really overpriced. I was warned it wasn’t good so won’t be going again and the fact I didn’t have a reduction on my bill, won’t be going again. We sent our order for food weeks ago so shouldn’t have been a problem. When the bill came with a surcharge and the £10 which we had to pay wasn’t taken off until someone remembered. Not happy 😡😡
Yvonne Ann Garratt . 2024-12-10
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I was greeted by a very friendly and professional lady, I was shown to the table which was in a delightful area. The staff were helpful, professional and polite The food was delicious. I will definitely make a return visit
coopski123 . 2024-12-08
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Great service and food. I'm a coeliac and they modified my chosen meal for me. Big portions!
Karen . 2024-12-02
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15 of us had dinner here last night and it was outstanding. Really easy to arrange, fabulous food, and superb service - huge credit to Laura for looking after us all so incredibly well. Thanks also to the chef and his/ her team for such wonderful food. We will be back!
LOU WALSH . 2024-12-01
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Very nice place to eat. Only four stars given, because the fish was more batter than fish. Love the surroundings, the Christmas trimmings were beautiful and gives the whole place a nice and cosy atmosphere. Would definitely recommend to others .
fiona hughes . 2024-11-30
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Well I met my friend for lunch food was nice booking 12 we were there at 11.50 we were asked to wait outside for 10 mins as customers were not allowed in till 12 then half way through our meal a girl with baby and mother were put on next table the mother kept talking loud the girl was trying to stop baby crying was feeding baby toys on the floor so as my friend couldn't hear me we moved to bar for coffee we were disappointed. I was not happy. The waitress said you will have to pay bill at table before we move to bar. I think women with babies should be put away from people trying to relax. I shall think twice in future wasnt very relaxing. Janet smith
Janet Smith . 2024-11-29
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We had an afternoon event with a buffet. The staff were professional and helpful and the space was perfect for our event
madalina brait . 2024-11-28
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Booked here for a family lunch get together on Sunday 17 November 2024. Because we had been there in the past on several occasions and had been impressed with everything. It was also a central point to meet up for those of us who had travelled for the occasion. The atmosphere was just as we remembered and it was very busy. Always a good sign. One of our party was a ceoliac and I have several food allergies not intolerances. My husband emailed all the details and was assured they could cater for us, so he booked with confidence that all would be well. Sadly on the day this was not the case. On inputting my allergies into the allergy guide I was left with a Sunday lunch of cabbage, green veg and carrot. Our server was great however and went above and beyond to help. After several back and forward trips to the kitchen she eventually came up with a plain chicken breast, new potatoes, cabbage and a whole roast carrot. We supplied our own gravy. They do not have dairy free gravy. The food was all cooked really well and everyone was happy with the quality and quantity. They did have a dessert that I was able to have which was good. I expected better of a gastro pub of this calibre. Apparently most of the food is bought in and only has to be taken from a packet and cooked. The gravy is premade and the chickens are pre packed ready seasoned.I was only charged for a childs meal because of the limitations. The rest of the party said they would go again but sadly my husband and I will not. Once again I have to praise and thank our server. She was brilliant only wish I could remember her name.
Jo Treby . 2024-11-28
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We are here as a group of 13 including 2 children. Booking process was very easy online and we had a small private room which was perfect for our group. Whole pub was decorated beautifully for Christmas. Service was attentive and everyone enjoyed the food and drinks. Kids menu had good variety and there was clear allergy info. Overall was very impressed.
Emma Solman . 2024-11-26
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Had Sunday lunch, 5 people. I chose the trio of roasts sharer with my son. Plenty of food for two, and was cooked perfectly. Sat in the dining area which was very comfortable. We were served by the friendly Laura, was most helpful with the choice of desserts for the rest of the family. Vid of the chocolate bomb pudding, my son was most impressed 😋
Daz Mills . 2024-11-24
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Elinor was great! She was very friendly and looked after us very well. We love coming here for food and it’s so nice when the staff are genuinely nice!
sean salmon . 2024-11-23
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Lovely lunch on a Saturday afternoon...I had a lovely mushroom risotto. Great service from the staff, especially Lauren. Would highly recommend!
Louisa Bellis . 2024-11-23
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5 star review for our server Laura . She was the only server on both the private room and main restaurant and she was so efficient and friendly
Madeleine Taylor Smith . 2024-11-23
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Food tasty but small portions. Good selection on menu. Service a little slow. Fire gave one person breathing problems
Carolyn Lowe . 2024-11-20
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Fantastic place and wonderful food. Highly recommended
Adrian Whitter . 2024-11-19
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Came in here for Sunday lunch and what a wonderful experience we had Thanks to Paige who went behind and above to make the dinning experience.
Noel Thomas . 2024-11-17
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Had Kelsey as our server, was lovely, would reccomend :)
Ruby Lawden . 2024-11-17
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Another reliable meal here, good food and super service from the lovely Laura!
James Edwards . 2024-11-16
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New menu is a vast improvement , particularly in regard to vegetarian options. Service and food were very good. Only slight negative was it was not particularly warm where we sat
Eric M . 2024-11-16
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We were looked after by Kelsey, she was brilliant. Food was top class. Definitely recommend.
Richard Jones . 2024-11-16
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Had a lovely family meal tonight, a huge thank you to Kelsey who looked after us all night! I definitely would recommend the pizza!
Leah Powell . 2024-11-14
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Amazing Sunday roast! Thank you to the lovely waitress Laura who served us! Great service x
Chelsea Feeney . 2024-11-10
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great looking pub service not the best they bring your food out with no cutlery and all at the wrong times so you dont eat at the same time . the food and beer was nice but a bit over priced
adam jones . 2024-11-06
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Excellent food and service, we were served by Paige and nothing was too much trouble. We celebrated my husbands birthday and will return.
melussa . 2024-11-04
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Perfect place for a Sunday lunch/ dinner. Thanks to Kelsey, Nicole, Alex and Marie for looking after us. Definitely be back soon!
Chloe W . 2024-11-03
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Wonderful Sunday roast. Lovely staff, especially Kelsey!!! Will be returning:)) chicken burger was good, pickled cucumbers were so tasty!!
Beth Rhoades . 2024-11-03
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Had a lovely brunch today at The Lyttelton Arms. Food was incredible and the service was fantastic. Kelsey and Emma who served us today were lovely, kind and attentive! Thank you!
Kate . 2024-11-03
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We've been here several times. The food is excellent and the service is always good. Last night lived up to expectations. We had two courses which were delicious and Paige was on hand just the right amount to make sure we had everything we needed. Great place to go for something special without going into Birmingham. Thanks and see you soon.
Ed Brettell . 2024-11-02
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Food great and Lauren who served us was absolutely superb and made lunch even better. ***** to all the staff, with special thanks to Lauren
John H . 2024-11-02
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Great food, friendly and efficient service - top drawer!
Peter Beddall . 2024-11-02
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Just popped in for a drink after a walk. Beautifully decorated and nice atmosphere inside. Pity about the fake plants outside - tacky and unnecessary!
J Willetts . 2024-11-02
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Visited for our little girls birthday and service and food was fantastic, they made her feel really special. Paige in particular really looked after us.
Bartosz Chojnacki . 2024-11-01
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Lovely food and great service by Paige - really helpful and nice. Would recommend the plant based burger.
E N . 2024-11-01
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served by Kelsey was absolutely lovely and very entertaining ! made me feel very special on my birthday, thank you !!
Taliah Tucker . 2024-10-31
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What a wonderful place, Kelsey made it a great night. Fantastic service and the food was great.
Nikki Tucker . 2024-10-31
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Delicious meal and service was excellent
Patricia Haw . 2024-10-29
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Wow!!! What can we say!? Booked here for our 1 year wedding anniversary. We ordered the wine and dine experience. Wife had Scallops as starter and I had Sticky Chicken. Both had ribeye steaks. I never order ribeye, but my god it was exceptional. Creme brule pudding. 10/10. Food was exceptional. Service out this world. We felt like royalty. Thankyou so much. Will 100% return.
russel moore . 2024-10-28
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We had a private party in the peacock room with a buffet. The room was perfect and gave the kids plenty room to run around. Great that it had its own loos and bar. Everyone commented on how lovely the room was and also how delicious the buffet food was. It was a lovely bonus having been upgraded to that room for free as there had been a cancellation.
Ruth Beattie . 2024-10-28
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Lunch with my two children. We all came from different directions and the restaurant was an excellent choice. I'd recommend it 👌
Veronica Mitchell . 2024-10-27
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Great food and atmosphere. Good value for money. Service was brill 😊 thank you !
elouise evans . 2024-10-26
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We had such a lovely meal here. Busy evening but still looked after where our waitress Becky went above and beyond. Nice to see a fire when walking through the doors on a cold night. Would come again! Thanks for 10/10 service Becky 😊
Aimée . 2024-10-26
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With a large group of family . We were seated in the furtherest corner, it was dark and depressing. With the toilet facilities on the other side of the building it was difficult for some to access. Service was slow but took an age even though it was pretty ordered. When the food did arrive, it tasted wonderful,but may be because we were hungry. Nice place , nice food ,slow on service when your spending £600+
Ashley Forrest . 2024-10-22
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Kelsey is the best - food and service were excellent
Kirsten Glaze . 2024-10-20
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I love this pub though I haven't been for quite some time. I was really looking forward to sharing the chateaubriand which is what I had last time but I was gutted to see they had stopped doing it. Last night they only had Rib eye steak, they'd run out of fillet. Only one special out of the three was available. I really struggled to find anything on the menu to order. In the end I order cod and chips. My husband had pork belly. I'd describe our meals as average. The fat from the fish had run all through the chips, so I left those. My husbands pork was quite tough and needed cooking for just a little longer. The service was superb, the ambience is lovely in there. Just disappointed with the food quality and the menu.
Bev Cart . 2024-10-18
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Excellent meal today, party of 3 really looked after by our waitress Lauren. She was friendly, knowledgeable and so good at her job. Congratulations to chef, all meals were spot on. Will return
Andy Price . 2024-10-18
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The food was delicious and Kelsey was a lovely waitress, thank you!
Lisa W . 2024-10-16
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Great atmosphere and food! Kelsey was our server and did a fab job looking after us! Thanks all!
Deni5 David . 2024-10-15
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Great decor, good selection of food and drinks, however , visit let down by service. Eventually served by miserable unapologetic staff member, clearly returning from the stock room with boxes "Sorry to keep you waiting / thanks for your patience", and a smile would be a big improvement. Better luck next time.
Nigel Roberts-Green . 2024-10-15
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Had such a lovely birthday meal here. We had a lovely lady called Laura she was so friendly and always checked on us if we needed anything else ! 💖
Chelsea Lewis . 2024-10-12
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Had a lovely meal and the service was excellent. Even adjusted the bright lighting for me.
Joanne Harrison . 2024-10-10
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Had a great meal tonight, really lovely atmosphere and time with family. Our sever Laura was really efficient and looked after us brilliantly. Really good to see great service match the vibe of the place. Really good to have a meal that was well paced - sometimes food comes way too quickly in restaurants but this gave us just enough time to enjoy the company & the food was great!
JJ Green . 2024-10-09
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Went for lunch with my daughter today. Food was amazing and reasonably priced. The service was excellent from the staff especially waitress Sammy. Will definitely return and very happy to recommend.
Kevin McNamara . 2024-10-09
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Great meal and exemplary service from Kelsey. Looked after us so well. She’s a star.
Zarina Kapasi . 2024-10-08
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£6.70 for an orange juice and lemonade. Absolutely scandalous… Update However, after posting a negative comment, management were very quick to respond identifying an obvious error in the bill. A week later following our next visit, the lovely manageress resolved the problem in full. 10 out of 10 for customer service. Normal service is resumed…
Mike Drew . 2024-10-05
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Kerlsey was very helpful attending to all your needs with a smile.
Amanda kenny . 2024-10-02
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I went for a few drinks mid week, easy to park, lovely relaxed atmosphere, great service.
Rachel Ann . 2024-09-30
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Lovely meal as always and especially fab service from Sophie, who made a beautiful meal and evening even better by realising we were out celebrating my birthday without us telling her. Thank you.
Sarah Langdon . 2024-09-29
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Fantastic food and service for a birthday meal.
K J . 2024-09-29
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Our wine and dine experience was so special! My mum loved it for a belated birthday celebration - Kelsey's attentive service and enthusiasm was much appreciated. The complimentary Chateau D'equiem at dessert was sublime!
Emily Domingo . 2024-09-28
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Had a lovely date night with amazing food. Kelsey did her best to look after us, she was incredibly lovely and welcoming. Thank you, Kelsey! <3
Olivia Fellows . 2024-09-28
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Lovely evening with friends and Laura out waitress was very friendly and pleasant throughout the night. The meal was lovely and we all enjoyed our meals Also the mini puds and coffee. The only fault we had is that we were opposite a work station not far from the doorway, not a very nice sight to look at, a dust pan and brush cleaners and a bin which wasn’t even tidy! The restaurant is done out lovely but that’s not a pleasant thing to look at whilst you’re eating your meal. I wouldn’t have it in my dining room.
Jacqui Tompkins . 2024-09-27
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Excellent Coctails, especially by Joel 🍸🍸
Nav Randhawa . 2024-09-23
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Food and service all excellent. Love the wine and dine menu. Very accomodating to our son who is GF and me on my birthday. They allowed us to have fillet steak as rib eye had ran out on wine and dine menu. Long wait on mains but compensated us with a bottle fizz.
donna sydenham . 2024-09-17
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Lovely pub situated in a nice area,great selection of food and drinks,would highly recommend!
Leah Owen . 2024-09-16
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We had all that we requested for in our booking, a friendly greeting on arrival. Food was good, service was good and the atmosphere was great.
Tim Miller . 2024-09-12
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Service,food & drinks were all very good. Very enjoyable lunch. All very good. Excellent.
Susan Melady . 2024-09-11
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Enjoyed food in the outdoor area, food was nice. Mojito cocktail was very refreshing. Atomsphere was quite lively for a weeknight, quite a few large parties but this wasnt an issue.
Kirsty Parsons . 2024-09-09
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We had a fantastic birthday meal that was absolutely delightful from start to finish! The food was fantastic, with every dish beautifully prepared and served promptly. However, what really made the evening special was our server, Laura. She was attentive, friendly, and went above and beyond to ensure everything was perfect. Laura’s service truly elevated the experience and she is a credit to her workplace. She made us feel so welcome and made the birthday celebration even more memorable. Highly recommend! Thank you for a lovely evening Laura!
Kirsty . 2024-09-08
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We had a fabulous evening on Thursday! Flo looked after us and made it so comfortable; nothing was too much trouble. Special thanks also to Sam and Kelsey who were warm and welcoming, always with a smile. Chef Dave provided an outstanding dining experience and he accommodated all our requests. We loved the ambience, decor and furnishings of The Lyttelton. We shall definitely be returning.
Jan Haden . 2024-09-06
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Stopped here for some late lunch after a long walk up the Lickey hills. The lady serving behind the bar who I assume was the manageress was friendly and welcoming. We sat in a booth with a little TV in (nice touch) and had the southern fried ultimate burger and the cowboy burger. Both 10/10, hot and fresh and said we would definitely return one day for a pint and a game of pool. Thank you :)
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We contacted the team to see if we could book dining for a large party of 30 adults and children. Craig, the Manager was very accommodating and provided us with the conservatory area. We were asked to provide menu choices in advance which was easy and even when a few ppl dropped out last minute it was no problem for the team. The pub is lovely, clean and well decorated. All staff are friendly and helpful and the food is incredible. We ordered lots from the Sunday Lunch Menu, along with childrens meals and I enjoyed the lasagne. All freshly cooked and generous portions- not one complaint! The Manager Craig communicated well throughout and the kids absolutely loved him and his challenge of eating all the peas they could! Despite us being a large party and making the place busy they remained calm and professional and made our celebration lovely. Thanks Craig and the team, we will def return if you will have us!
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Had an evening here for my mother in law’s birthday, great food and lovely attentive staff. Thank you 🙏🏻
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Regularly use this pub for lunches and evening meals with friends and booked the last 3 years New Years Eves. Food and Service, as always was wonderful but the entertainment last night (New Year'sEve) was terrible. Every song sounded exactly the same, just screeching, the guitar was so loud the girl had to screech just to be heard above it. Conversation stopped on most tables around us as you couldn't hear yourself think let alone talk. Not sure if the management put this act on just to clear the pub and finish early. People left in their droves within an hour of her starting her session, 2 tables around us were discussing where they could go at such a late time and on a new years eve so they could enjoy their evening. The whole thing was such a shame, she was not suitable for the venue or the occasion, the only respite people got was when she took a break. Had we not had a few taxis booked at gone midnight which were prepaid, we would have left about 10 pm ourselves. I don't think we will bother again on a new years eve after this, it spoilt ours and many of your guests evening. By 1150pm on the evening and on a new years eve you had the singers 3 friends and just us left in the pub, surely you could see how people felt, the previous new year had been terrific, perhaps you'll learn ?